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[World Malayali Club] VASANTA NAVARATRI FROM 08-04-2016 TO 15-04-2016

 

DEAR ALL, 



NAVARATRI("Nava" + "ratri") literally means "nine nights." This ritual is observed twice a year, in spring and in autumn. "Vasanta Navaratri" or Spring Navaratri is nine days of fast and worship that Hindus undertake during spring every year. This festival is observed twice a year, once in the beginning of summer and again at the onset of winter. "The Divine Mother or Devi is worshipped during the Vasanta Navaratri. This occurs during the spring. She is worshipped by her own command.

Significance of Navratri?

During Navaratri, we invoke the energy aspect of God in the form of the universal mother, commonly referred to as "Durga," which literally means the remover of miseries of life. She is also referred to as "Devi" (goddess) or "Shakti" (energy or power). It is this energy, which helps God to proceed with the work of creation, preservation and destruction. In other words, you can say that God is motionless, absolutely changeless, and the Divine Mother Durga, does everything. Truly speaking, our worship of Shakti re-confirms the scientific theory that energy is imperishable. It cannot be created or destroyed. It is always there.



Why Worship the Mother Goddess?

We think this energy is only a form of the Divine Mother, who is the mother of all, and all of us are her children. "Why mother; why not father?", you may ask. Let me just say that we believe that God's glory, his cosmic energy, his greatness and supremacy can best be depicted as the motherhood aspect of God. Just as a child finds all these qualities in his or her mother, similarly, all of us look upon God as mother. In fact, Hinduism is the only religion in the world, which gives so much importance to the mother aspect of God because we believe that mother is the creative aspect of the absolute.

Why Twice a Year?

Every year the beginning of summer and the beginning of winter are two very important junctures of climatic change and solar influence. These two junctions have been chosen as the sacred opportunities for the worship of the divine power because:
(1) We believe that it is the divine power that provides energy for the earth to move around the sun, causing the changes in the outer nature and that this divine power must be thanked for maintaining the correct balance of the universe.
(2) Due to the changes in the nature, the bodies and minds of people undergo a considerable change, and hence, we worship the divine power to bestow upon all of us enough potent powers to maintain our physical and mental balance.

Why Nine Nights Days?


Navaratri is divided into sets of three days to adore different aspects of the supreme goddess. On the first three days, the Mother is invoked as powerful force calledDurgain order to destroy all our impurities, vices and defects. The next three days, the Mother is adored as a giver of spiritual wealth,Lakshmi, who is considered to have the power of bestowing on her devotees the inexhaustible wealth. The final set of three days is spent in worshipping the mother as the goddess of wisdom,Saraswati. In order have all-round success in life, we need the blessings of all three aspects of the divine mother; hence, the worship for nine nights.



The Story Behind the Origin of Vasanta Navaratri/Chaitra Navaratri.

Vasant Navratri, also known as VasantNavratri begins on March 23, 2012. This festival of nine nights in Hinduism is dedicated to Goddess Durga, Lakshmi and Saraswati. It is also known as Chaitra Navratras or Spring Navratri or Basant Navratri. As this Navaratri coincides with Ram Navami, it also referred as Ram Navratri. The dates are fromMarch 23, 2012to April 1, 2012.

In days long gone by, King Dhruvasindu was killed by a lion when he went out hunting. Preparations were made to crown the prince Sudarsana. But, King Yudhajit of Ujjain, the father of Queen Lilavati, and King Virasena of Kalinga, the father of Queen Manorama, were each desirous of securing the Kosala throne for their respective grandsons. They fought with each other. King Virasena was killed in the battle. Manorama fled to the forest with Prince Sudarsana and a eunuch. They took refuge in the hermitage of Rishi Bharadwaja.

The victor, King Yudhajit, thereupon crowned his grandson, Satrujit, at Ayodhya, the capital of Kosala. He then went out in search of Manorama and her son. The Rishi said that he would not give up those who had sought protection under him. Yudhajit became furious. He wanted to attack the Rishi. But, his minister told him about the truth of the Rishis statement. Yudhajit returned to his capital.
Fortune smiled on Prince Sudarsana. A hermits son came one day and called the eunuch by his Sanskrit name Kleeba. The prince caught the first syllable Kli and began to pronounce it as Kleem. This syllable happened to be a powerful, sacred Mantra. It is the Bija Akshara (root syllable) of the Divine Mother. The Prince obtained peace of mind and the Grace of the Divine Mother by the repeated utterance of this syllable. Devi appeared to him, blessed him and granted him divine weapons and an inexhaustible quiver.


The emissaries of the king of Benares passed through the Ashram of the Rishi and, when they saw the noble prince Sudarsana, they recommended him to Princess Sashikala, the daughter of the king of Benares.

The ceremony at which the princess was to choose her spouse was arranged. Sashikala at once chose Sudarsana. They were duly wedded. King Yudhajit, who had been present at the function, began to fight with the king of Benares. Devi helped Sudarsana and his father-in-law. Yudhajit mocked Her, upon which Devi promptly reduced Yudhajit and his army to ashes.

Thus Sudarsana, with his wife and his father-in-law, praised Devi. She was highly pleased and ordered them to perform her worship with havan and other means during the Vasanta Navaratri. Then She disappeared.
Prince Sudarsana and Sashikala returned to the Ashram of Rishi Bharadwaja. The great Rishi blessed them and crowned Sudarsana as the king of Kosala. Sudarsana and Sashikala and the king of Benares implicitly carried out the commands of the Divine Mother and performed worship in a splendid manner during the Vasanta Navaratri.

Sudarsanas descendants, namely, Sri Rama and Lakshmana, also performed worship of Devi during the Vasanta Navaratri and were blessed with Her assistance in the recovery of Sita.




Why do we Celebrate Vasanta Navaratri?

It is the duty of the devout Hindus to worship the Devi (Mother Goddess) for both material and spiritual welfare during the Vasanta Navaratri and follow the noble example set by Sudarsana and Sri Rama. He cannot achieve anything without the Divine Mothers blessings. 


As we all know, time is the key to many things in life. For every event to attain success or run smoothly, grow and thrive well, it is essential that the event must begin at right time for it develop and grow successfully. Nature reflects this example with the onset spring, resulting in the growth and re-growth of all grass, plants, trees, flowering etc. Similarly for all our mental (Manasika), spiritual (Adhyatmika), material (Lokaika) progress, prosperity and success, it is important that we initiate things or events during the Holy, Auspicious time of Vasantha Navaratri. Just like seedlings grow fast, nurture and establish well during the spring, with right amount of sunlight, soil and water. Similarly, Birds build nests, lay eggs and take good care of their little ones. Our prayers offered to the Mother Divine with humble devotion and unlimited gratitude, during this auspicious time of Vasantha Navaratri will result in yielding mental peace and good health, financial growth and prosperity, victory over obstacles and success in all events and such many other benefits.

So, sing her praise and repeat Her Mantra and Name. Meditate on Her form. Pray and obtain her eternal Grace and blessings. May the Divine Mother bless you with all divine wealth"

Courtesy: story is from Hindu Fasts Festivals by Sri Swami Sivananda and various sources.


--
Aano bhadra krtavo yantu vishwatah.(- RIG VEDA)
"Let noble thoughts come to me from all directions"

REGARDS
Miss.Shaija Vallikatri Bhaskaran



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Re: [World Malayali Club] Muslim Offers $10,000 To Anyone Who CanShowThat Qur'an Promotes Terrorism

 

Dear all,

Well said Mr Syl D'Çruz , Sqn Ldr PP Cherian (Retd) and Mr S Narayanaswamy.  The topic is interesting no doubt but the languages used by each member is still good (felt as if I had a personal discussion).  I appreciate Mr Narayan's knowledge of the holy book.  After going thru his narration, I developed an interest to read the Quran once. But, only if Mr Narayan could help me know the edition for a good read. 

Nelson Mascarenhas
RBI Mumbai  

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:11 PM, 'Sylvester D'cruz' sylvester.49@gmail.com [worldmalayaliclub] <worldmalayaliclub@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Dear ALL,
                  Don't waste your time looking in the koran, look at the mind of the 
sick person it is there..
Thank you,
Sylvester

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Pullamkottu Poulose Cherian cherianpullamkottu@gmail.com [worldmalayaliclub] <worldmalayaliclub@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Dear All, 

Although  these verses advocating terrorism  EXISTED in the Quran all along, may be many people  probably  would not have either not read all these or even if they have read it, would not have considered these as a source of perpetuating terrorism. I think by opening this discussion, we have opened a Pandoras Box; many more will be aware of these verses . Now that  all these verses are highlighted, many readers may take it as an authority to perpetuate more terrorism by quoting these verses, or misleading the gullible followers of  Mohamed. . May be this was a hidden agenda of  Mr. Omar Alnatour who made the public offer of a reward.  


 

 Sqn Ldr P P Cherian ( Retd)


Regards
Sqn Ldr P P Cherian ( Retd)

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Dear Omar Alnatour

Thank you so very much for publicly offering "anyone $10,000 if they can find me a verse in the Quran that says it's ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror."  I eagerly accept.


Sri Arhata Osho or arhataworldfreespeech, UK has, in his remarkably eloquent response to your offer, answered you point by point, and found not one, but several verses in the Quran that satisfied your criterion.

He cites specifically Quran 9.5, Quran 9.29, Quran 9.30, Quran 3.151, Quran 9.14, and Quran 8.60.

In addition to all that, let me now give you some more authentic and easily verifiable citations that also satisfy fully your criterion:-

Quran 47.4 & 5 - When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield (even when you provoked the battle yourself) strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.  Had God willed, He Himself could have beheaded them, but he has ordained it thus that he might test you (to do the beheading).

Quran 2.191 - Slay them (i.e. idolators) wherever you find hem.  Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Quran 9.73 - Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites (and kill them off even if they live peacefully by themselves and do you no harm).

Then 9.123. - Believers, make war with the infidels who dwell around you (and kill all of them off).

My dear Omar, on combing through not only your Quran but your other Holy Books, I could find more instances where your God Allah not only encouraged but ORDERED terrorism and mass murder. 

Remember, for example, the incident of the Bani Quraysh where your Prophet and his armed men personally raided that peaceful Jewish settlement, got all the men and post-puberty boys to dig a long earthen grave-trench and sit in a line at the edge with their wrists and ankles tied.  

Your Prophet and his men then walked along and in front of their terrified families, beheaded every single one of them with shouts and curses.  After that they made their womenfolk including little girls and suckling babies slaves -- your Prophet taking one-fifth of the captives as his own booty, as well as one-fifth of all goods and possessions seized such as camels, horses, cattle, furniture, agricultural implements, clothes, money, pots and pans, foodgrains, seeds and cattle fodder.

The Jews' crime?  They were not desert Bedouins, and declined to fight alongside the Muslims to conquer, pillage and enslave others.

My dear Omar, when can you pay me as solemnly promised and as an Allah-fearing Muslim, not necessarily US40,000, being US$10,000 per above-given citation, but a minimum of US$10,000 for my efforts?  Where, when and from whom can I come to collect it?  Can you make it cold cash instead of a bounceable cheque?  Thanks.

Due to health problems, I have long given up driving cars.  But with US$10,000 I certainly shall go to the Near West, to Saudi Arabia, and hunt for the tomb of
Safiyah bint Huyyay, the Prophet's Jewish concubine, and for the tomb of Aishah whom he married when he was an aged 53-year-old grandfather and she was a six-year-old infant playing with toys. 

After finding them, I shall sprinkle on the tombs a few drops each of Ganga water which I have collected from Pancha-ganga in Kaashi, from the confluence of Ganga, the Yamuna and the Sarasvathi in Praayaga at Triveni, and from the confluence of the Ganga and the Brahmaputra in Bengal.  Hopefully, these will alleviate their eternal thirst a la Bhageeratha's ancestors.  Zam Zam water will not do that.

S Narayanaswamy







On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:34 AM, "Arhata Osho arhataworldfreespeech@yahoo.co.uk [worldmalayaliclub]" <worldmalayaliclub@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 

Dear Omar Alnatour:
Thank you so very much for offering "anyone $10,000 if they can find me a verse in the Quran that says it's ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror." My 1999 Toyota is on its last legs, and your generous gift will enable me to replace it with a modest but fully operational used midsize sedan. Or maybe (since it has been years since I've had a break), if I can keep the jalopy going for awhile, I will use your ten grand take a vacation to Paris and Brussels -- before it's too late, you know?
Anyway, here is my entry, which I am confident will win the $10,000 prize. I'll make sure of that by giving you even more than you asked for: you wanted just a single Qur'anic verse that "says it's ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror," I'll give you more than one of each, just so there is no doubt:
  1. The Qur'an says it's ok to kill innocent people
"Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate." (Qur'an 9:5)
The verse says to kill the idolaters – mushrikun – those who worship others besides Allah. Now I don't know, Mr. Alnatour, if you might think "idolaters" are by virtue of being "idolaters" are not innocent and therefore worth killing, but I'm with Thomas Jefferson: "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." I don't think my neighbor to have forfeited his innocence if he prays to gods I don't recognize, and I hope you don't, either.
Now I expect that you will say that this Qur'an verse refers not to all idolaters, but only to one very specific group of idolaters, the polytheist Quraysh tribe of Mecca that was making war against Muhammad, and that this verse has no force now that they have been conquered and Islamized, and doesn't apply to any other idolaters. It would have been nice for Allah to make that clear in the pages of his perfect book, but who am I to question the will of a deity?
What's more, classic Muslim commentators on this Qur'an verse give no hint that it has long expired. On the contrary, Ibn Juzayy notes that it cancels out peaceful verses; he says that it abrogates "every peace treaty in the Qur'an," and specifically abrogates the Qur'an's directive to "set free or ransom" captive unbelievers (47:4). As-Suyuti agrees: "This is an Ayat of the Sword which abrogates pardon, truce and overlooking" — that is, perhaps the overlooking of the pagans' offenses. The Tafsir al-Jalalayn says that the Muslims must "slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except death or Islam." He is offering this as instruction for Muslims in his day; he seems to have no idea that this verse doesn't apply to them.
Neither does Ibn Kathir. He writes that Muslims should "not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam." He also doesn't seem to subscribe to the view that this verse applies only to the pagans of Arabia in Muhammad's time, and has no further application. He asserts, on the contrary, that "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them" means just that: the unbelievers must be killed "on the earth in general, except for the Sacred Area" — that is, the sacred mosque in Mecca, in accord with Qur'an 2:191.
So there you are, Mr. Alnatour: the Qur'an calling for the murder of those who are innocent, except for the crime of being "idolaters" – a "crime" that requires earthly punishment only in the Qur'an.
And there's more:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Qur'an 9:29)
The "People of the Book" are Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians. The verse doesn't provide any reason why they should be fought and made to submit to the Muslims except that they are People of the Book and don't acknowledge Islam. Here again, you might consider them not innocent on that basis, but I hope you don't, as I'm sure you would agree that people may differ on key questions in good faith.
Ibn Juzayy, however, does believe that the People of the Book should be fought simply because they are not Muslims. He says that this verse is "a command to fight the People of the Book" and explains that they must be fought because of their "denying their belief in Allah because of the words of the Jews, 'Ezra is the son of Allah" and the words of the Christians, 'The Messiah is the son of Allah'" (cf. Qur'an 9:30). He adds that Muslims must also fight them "because they consider as lawful carrion, blood, pork, etc." and because "they do not enter Islam." 
So the Qur'an says that the People of the Book must be fought because they believe differently from the Muslims. But that is not a crime. These people are innocent.
  1. The Qur'an says it's ok to commit acts of terror
"We will cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers." (Qur'an 3:151)
Now, Mr. Alnatour (may I call you Omar?), I know what you'll say here: this is Allah saying he will terrorize the unbelievers, not commanding the Muslims to do so. Fair enough, although I can't help but recall that the Qur'an also says: "Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands" (9:14). So if Allah is punishing the unbelievers by the hands of the believers, might part of that punishment involve casting terror into the hearts of the unbelievers? And that's what terrorism is all about, right?
And yes, there is still more. "Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged." (Qur'an 8:60)
Strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy. Now you no doubt have some explanation for this, Mr. Alnatour, but I wonder how you would explain to a young member of the Islamic State (ISIS) or al-Qaeda that Allah's command to strike terror into the enemy of Allah doesn't mean that they should behead, or blow up, or otherwise terrorize unbelievers.
So there you have it. Not just one verse, but four, and I have plenty more. You don't have to pay me $40,000 even though I fulfilled your requirements four times over; I'll take the $10,000, and thank you very much for your generosity. I must say that I very much enjoyed your article in which you made this offer, "Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize for Terrorism," if it is proper to say that one enjoyed such a lamentable tale as your own. It is lamentable to read about how your wife screams at you and your children hate you for matters beyond your control, and that then on top of that, Infidels have the temerity to want you to do something about Islamic terrorism beyond issuing pro forma condemnations. 
My mind goes back, however, to those who were murdered by Islamic terrorists recently in Brussels, Paris, San Bernardino, and so many other places. I'm sure you would agree that the suffering of their families far exceeds that of Muslims who must suffer Infidels asking them (quite patiently, for over fourteen years now since 9/11) to clean their own house. I do hope that you will think a bit about them, and about your Qur'an. Instead of obfuscating its contents, as you're writing out my check, you could do us all a favor by starting to ponder some strategies about how to limit the capacity of your holy book to incite murder and bloodshed. In light of my confidence that you will do that, I very much look forward to your next article.
With cordial best wishes from your fellow human being,


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Re: [World Malayali Club] Muslim Offers $10,000 To Anyone Who Can Show That Qur'an Promotes Terrorism

 

Sajid and Sylvester,

God bless you. 

Regards. 

On Thursday, March 31, 2016, Sajid sajidiqbal.pk@gmail.com [worldmalayaliclub] <worldmalayaliclub@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I am writing first time in this group. The discussion under consideration is interesting and I am pleased to see that people are looking from different angles. Although I am not a scholar, however I like to share my views too.
My comments are in response of Ramesh Kuganti:

1) Most of bloodshed in world is due to muslims....
    Comments: Let we have a bird view of world where there is war and bloodshed is there.
      1 - Afghanistan: The war is imposed by America and thousands of Afghanis have been killed by American and allied bombing for the sake of few persons. Slogan of religious war was raised by Mr. Bush and there are plenty of evidences present on media and internet.
    2 - Iraq: War was imposed by same America and allies for weapon of mass destruction and nothing was found later on. Infact this was an effort to capture oil reservoirs.
    3- Palestine: Unlawfully the area was occupied by Jews and native citizens were expelled out of country. The war was imposed on this country.
   4. Syria: The was is imposed by so called Islamic millitants (ISIS) which claims itself to be muslim whereas muslims do not accept them as muslims. Again the war is imposed on this country and muslims are being slaughtered.
  5- Please look on following site to find out how many wars are there in world at present and who are the parties.

   6-Please have a look on following link to find out which holy book is more violent

2) No appreciations for older religions:
    Comment: Islam deny few religions and accepts others. It is to note that Islam is extension or updated version of few old religions as described by Quran.
     For example:
     1-Jewish religion is accepted and appreciated in Quran. However it is stated that the religion was modified later on by the followers. Prophet Moosa - Prophet of jews is heavily appreciated and muslims as a nations are considered more close to Jews as compared to any other religion.
     2- Christianity: Prophet Jesus was born without father. It is Islam and Quran that accepts and explains the fact. Quran also describes the rewards for true followers of Christianity however the claim of Quran is again that this religion was modified by the followers which is evident from old and new testimonials of their holy book. Please look at following links
    and you may also refer to following link:

rest of the comments need more work and sometime later or someone else will reply.

My own observations:
 Weapon production is one of the largest businesses in the world. And off course, to flourish this business, its market is required. If there is no market, then create one. Now we need to see that who are the largest weapon producers and how they are creating their market.



On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:59 AM, ramesh kuganti rkuganti2012@gmail.com [worldmalayaliclub] <worldmalayaliclub@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Dear All,
 Kindly Make  me a Partner in sharing USD.10,000 Announced By Mr Omar Alnatour. 
1) There is an adage-The Proof Of The Pudding is in its Eating" Whether  some  sentences inciting Violence are There or Not In Holy Quran is not the Criteria to prove whether Quran incites Violence . The Real Life Proof is  FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM OF ALL DENOMINATIONS ARE THE CAUSE OF BLOOD SHED/MAYHEM/MASSACRES/GENOCIDES THROUGH OUT THE WORLD AND ISLAMISTS HAVE KILLED OTHER ISLAMISTS AS WELL AS NON ISLAMISTS.  THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL THE BLOODSHEDS SHOULD BE ASCRIBED TO PROPHET  MOHAMED; BECAUSE NO OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOK HAS CAUSED DEATHS AND DESTRUCTION OF THE SCALE CAUSED BY HOLY QURAN.

2) THE MAIN FLAWS OF ISLAM AND ITS TEACHINGS AND EVEN HOLY QURAN ARE  THEY NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED  EVEN A FEW OF THE GREAT  ASPECTS  OF PRECEDING AND OLDER  RELIGIONS

3)ISLAMISTS/HOLY QURAN CANNOT AND ARE UNABLE TO EXPLAIN AS TO HOW THE MOTHER NATURE IS PROVIDING FOOD NOT ONLY FOR ISLAMISTS BUT EVEN TO NON ISLAMISTS

4)ISLAMISTS/HOLY QURAN CANNOT AND ARE UNABLE TO EXPLAIN AS TO HOW DEMOCRATIC HINDU RELIGION IS SURVIVING DESPITE BLOODY ONSLAUGHTS OF ISLAMISTS, EVER SINCE THE ADVENT OF ISLAM.

5)WHAT IS THE SPECIAL GREATNESS OF ISLAM, WHEN  ISLAMIC COUNTRIES AND EVEN HOLY MECCA WERE WITNESSES TO DEATHS AND DESTRUCTION CAUSED BY MAN MADE MISTAKES AS WELL AS NATURAL DISASTERS AND HELPLESS AGAINST SUCH DESTROYING AND DEATH DEALING EVENTS?

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Dear Omar Alnatour

Thank you so very much for publicly offering "anyone $10,000 if they can find me a verse in the Quran that says it's ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror."  I eagerly accept.


Sri Arhata Osho or arhataworldfreespeech, UK has, in his remarkably eloquent response to your offer, answered you point by point, and found not one, but several verses in the Quran that satisfied your criterion.

He cites specifically Quran 9.5, Quran 9.29, Quran 9.30, Quran 3.151, Quran 9.14, and Quran 8.60.

In addition to all that, let me now give you some more authentic and easily verifiable citations that also satisfy fully your criterion:-

Quran 47.4 & 5 - When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield (even when you provoked the battle yourself) strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.  Had God willed, He Himself could have beheaded them, but he has ordained it thus that he might test you (to do the beheading).

Quran 2.191 - Slay them (i.e. idolators) wherever you find hem.  Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Quran 9.73 - Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites (and kill them off even if they live peacefully by themselves and do you no harm).

Then 9.123. - Believers, make war with the infidels who dwell around you (and kill all of them off).

My dear Omar, on combing through not only your Quran but your other Holy Books, I could find more instances where your God Allah not only encouraged but ORDERED terrorism and mass murder. 

Remember, for example, the incident of the Bani Quraysh where your Prophet and his armed men personally raided that peaceful Jewish settlement, got all the men and post-puberty boys to dig a long earthen grave-trench and sit in a line at the edge with their wrists and ankles tied.  

Your Prophet and his men then walked along and in front of their terrified families, beheaded every single one of them with shouts and curses.  After that they made their womenfolk including little girls and suckling babies slaves -- your Prophet taking one-fifth of the captives as his own booty, as well as one-fifth of all goods and possessions seized such as camels, horses, cattle, furniture, agricultural implements, clothes, money, pots and pans, foodgrains, seeds and cattle fodder.

The Jews' crime?  They were not desert Bedouins, and declined to fight alongside the Muslims to conquer, pillage and enslave others.

My dear Omar, when can you pay me as solemnly promised and as an Allah-fearing Muslim, not necessarily US40,000, being US$10,000 per above-given citation, but a minimum of US$10,000 for my efforts?  Where, when and from whom can I come to collect it?  Can you make it cold cash instead of a bounceable cheque?  Thanks.

Due to health problems, I have long given up driving cars.  But with US$10,000 I certainly shall go to the Near West, to Saudi Arabia, and hunt for the tomb of
Safiyah bint Huyyay, the Prophet's Jewish concubine, and for the tomb of Aishah whom he married when he was an aged 53-year-old grandfather and she was a six-year-old infant playing with toys. 

After finding them, I shall sprinkle on the tombs a few drops each of Ganga water which I have collected from Pancha-ganga in Kaashi, from the confluence of Ganga, the Yamuna and the Sarasvathi in Praayaga at Triveni, and from the confluence of the Ganga and the Brahmaputra in Bengal.  Hopefully, these will alleviate their eternal thirst a la Bhageeratha's ancestors.  Zam Zam water will not do that.

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On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:34 AM, "Arhata Osho arhataworldfreespeech@yahoo.co.uk [worldmalayaliclub]" <worldmalayaliclub@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 

Dear Omar Alnatour:
Thank you so very much for offering "anyone $10,000 if they can find me a verse in the Quran that says it's ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror." My 1999 Toyota is on its last legs, and your generous gift will enable me to replace it with a modest but fully operational used midsize sedan. Or maybe (since it has been years since I've had a break), if I can keep the jalopy going for awhile, I will use your ten grand take a vacation to Paris and Brussels -- before it's too late, you know?
Anyway, here is my entry, which I am confident will win the $10,000 prize. I'll make sure of that by giving you even more than you asked for: you wanted just a single Qur'anic verse that "says it's ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror," I'll give you more than one of each, just so there is no doubt:
  1. The Qur'an says it's ok to kill innocent people
"Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate." (Qur'an 9:5)
The verse says to kill the idolaters – mushrikun – those who worship others besides Allah. Now I don't know, Mr. Alnatour, if you might think "idolaters" are by virtue of being "idolaters" are not innocent and therefore worth killing, but I'm with Thomas Jefferson: "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." I don't think my neighbor to have forfeited his innocence if he prays to gods I don't recognize, and I hope you don't, either.
Now I expect that you will say that this Qur'an verse refers not to all idolaters, but only to one very specific group of idolaters, the polytheist Quraysh tribe of Mecca that was making war against Muhammad, and that this verse has no force now that they have been conquered and Islamized, and doesn't apply to any other idolaters. It would have been nice for Allah to make that clear in the pages of his perfect book, but who am I to question the will of a deity?
What's more, classic Muslim commentators on this Qur'an verse give no hint that it has long expired. On the contrary, Ibn Juzayy notes that it cancels out peaceful verses; he says that it abrogates "every peace treaty in the Qur'an," and specifically abrogates the Qur'an's directive to "set free or ransom" captive unbelievers (47:4). As-Suyuti agrees: "This is an Ayat of the Sword which abrogates pardon, truce and overlooking" — that is, perhaps the overlooking of the pagans' offenses. The Tafsir al-Jalalayn says that the Muslims must "slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except death or Islam." He is offering this as instruction for Muslims in his day; he seems to have no idea that this verse doesn't apply to them.
Neither does Ibn Kathir. He writes that Muslims should "not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam." He also doesn't seem to subscribe to the view that this verse applies only to the pagans of Arabia in Muhammad's time, and has no further application. He asserts, on the contrary, that "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them" means just that: the unbelievers must be killed "on the earth in general, except for the Sacred Area" — that is, the sacred mosque in Mecca, in accord with Qur'an 2:191.
So there you are, Mr. Alnatour: the Qur'an calling for the murder of those who are innocent, except for the crime of being "idolaters" – a "crime" that requires earthly punishment only in the Qur'an.
And there's more:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Qur'an 9:29)
The "People of the Book" are Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians. The verse doesn't provide any reason why they should be fought and made to submit to the Muslims except that they are People of the Book and don't acknowledge Islam. Here again, you might consider them not innocent on that basis, but I hope you don't, as I'm sure you would agree that people may differ on key questions in good faith.
Ibn Juzayy, however, does believe that the People of the Book should be fought simply because they are not Muslims. He says that this verse is "a command to fight the People of the Book" and explains that they must be fought because of their "denying their belief in Allah because of the words of the Jews, 'Ezra is the son of Allah" and the words of the Christians, 'The Messiah is the son of Allah'" (cf. Qur'an 9:30). He adds that Muslims must also fight them "because they consider as lawful carrion, blood, pork, etc." and because "they do not enter Islam." 
So the Qur'an says that the People of the Book must be fought because they believe differently from the Muslims. But that is not a crime. These people are innocent.
  1. The Qur'an says it's ok to commit acts of terror
"We will cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers." (Qur'an 3:151)
Now, Mr. Alnatour (may I call you Omar?), I know what you'll say here: this is Allah saying he will terrorize the unbelievers, not commanding the Muslims to do so. Fair enough, although I can't help but recall that the Qur'an also says: "Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands" (9:14). So if Allah is punishing the unbelievers by the hands of the believers, might part of that punishment involve casting terror into the hearts of the unbelievers? And that's what terrorism is all about, right?
And yes, there is still more. "Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged." (Qur'an 8:60)
Strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy. Now you no doubt have some explanation for this, Mr. Alnatour, but I wonder how you would explain to a young member of the Islamic State (ISIS) or al-Qaeda that Allah's command to strike terror into the enemy of Allah doesn't mean that they should behead, or blow up, or otherwise terrorize unbelievers.
So there you have it. Not just one verse, but four, and I have plenty more. You don't have to pay me $40,000 even though I fulfilled your requirements four times over; I'll take the $10,000, and thank you very much for your generosity. I must say that I very much enjoyed your article in which you made this offer, "Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize for Terrorism," if it is proper to say that one enjoyed such a lamentable tale as your own. It is lamentable to read about how your wife screams at you and your children hate you for matters beyond your control, and that then on top of that, Infidels have the temerity to want you to do something about Islamic terrorism beyond issuing pro forma condemnations. 
My mind goes back, however, to those who were murdered by Islamic terrorists recently in Brussels, Paris, San Bernardino, and so many other places. I'm sure you would agree that the suffering of their families far exceeds that of Muslims who must suffer Infidels asking them (quite patiently, for over fourteen years now since 9/11) to clean their own house. I do hope that you will think a bit about them, and about your Qur'an. Instead of obfuscating its contents, as you're writing out my check, you could do us all a favor by starting to ponder some strategies about how to limit the capacity of your holy book to incite murder and bloodshed. In light of my confidence that you will do that, I very much look forward to your next article.
With cordial best wishes from your fellow human being,


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